1930's construction, I'd have to assume furring strips, but do as Dirt suggests and look behind an outlet. It is not in good shape, so I am wanting to gut it completely down to its metal shell and studs and remodel the inside completely. I have never seen any outside of the factory.Have you taken a pencil to the numbers for the work you plan? In REM Design there is a built-in module that lets you easily determine if you pass the Michigan Energy Code. Nails used to be made by hand by smiths. This is where knowing exactly who is responsible for what will be essential. Trusses are nailed to perimeter 2 x 4s and held in place by wood strips at the centerline and at a couple of other places. Then plywood began to be replaced with oriented stand board (OSB) in the 1970s. Im wondering if my electrical connection is under the trailer or in the walls? Which town? For example, valuable land where no new homes were allowed. Checked the attic the ceiling trusses were 2by 2 . Today, everyone in the construction industry knows that nominal size is not actual sizedespite the fact that the 2x4 designation persists . Compared to the weight of book cases, aquariums, water beds, pianos and other things people move into mobile homes your guests total weight is small.The heaviest point load on the floor will come from the high heels some of your guests will be wearing. Can it be cut out?PaulHi Dena,Your question is getting deeper into structural engineering than I am comfortable trying to answer. I used to get $80-100 each. It was braced in 1 spot before I got it. Walls are built using wood boards called studs. Average U value- I have tried several times in ResCheck and could never get it to pass with 2x4 construction. Mobile Homes built before 1976 were constructed to much lower standards than those built later. Look under sinks for evidence of leaks. This vertical wood siding weather protection technology made an early appearance in Canada with log piece sur piece buildings constructed by the Hudsons Bay Company.3 In England the practice was to install the weatherboards horizontally in the form of clapboards. Clapboards were traditionally riven boards in that they were split totheir appropriate thickness. This technology subsequently made its way to New England with the colonists.4. Could you add extra supports that are resting on the wall & marriage line? Perhaps test it in one room and watch it for problems? G.LeeMy son had a 1992 single wide set up on my parents farm, which I bought to live in it while I cared for aging parents. In April, new housing starts backed off 8% from a 14-year high set in March 2021; however, that level of construction is up 67% from its bottom in April 2020 and up 22% from April 2019. Wood frame walls are pretty impressive technological creations. From the same source, mobile home "is the term used for manufactured homes produced prior to June 15, 1976, when the HUD Code went into effect." [2] Is there any weight restrictions that we need to be aware/concerned about.PaulNot being an engineer I dont know any specifics. Balloon framing using dimensional lumber and manufactured nails was so revolutionary that a balloon framed Illinois cottage was displayed at the Paris Exhibition of 1867 as a display of American technological prowess.8Site built stick framing proved to be so fast and so efficient that it dominates residential wood-frame construction worldwide to this day. RogerIs it impractical to try to take a single wide frame and build from that?PaulI doubt the numbers would pencil out. To keep the posts from rotting it was found that you could support them on stones and from there it was found the posts could be supported on a raised sill frame resting on lots of stones and from there we got rubble foundations. While I can take or leave 'Stumpy Nubs' brand of humor, I thought this was pretty good - a Roubo-style workbench made from 2x6 construction lumber, complete with dogs and spots for holdfasts. 2X4 exterior Walls are actually acceptable exterior framing, it's just that you need r20, which you can't get with just fiberglass insulation in a 2x4 cavity. It was all wood panelling and 23 construction inside.We brought 35.4 metric tonnes to the dump and we figure at most the trailer would have been 10 of that but would be good to hear from someone in the industry as well.Thanks,MonaPaulThat is a great question, but I have no idea what the answer would be.Maybe someone in the mobile home transport business will see this and provide an answer. Floors. As wood frame building technology evolved the timber frames tended to get completely covered with lath-and-daub thereby protecting the timber frame. Faith YoungHi Paul. (County codes officer already said I can get a building permit if I can get it off the frame, since all else meets code. Pre-assembled water and sewer lines and the ductwork for heat/AC are dropped in. Timbers are coated with tar. Amazing, but true. but others don't think it's a necessary upgrade. Oh, some of the exterior and interior linings have changed and we did begin to fill the cavities inherent in frame construction, but the fundamental structural system of walls has not changed much over the past 150 years. We didnt build this. After that, all the savings go directly into your pocket. Become a GBA Prime member and get full access to GBA articles, enyclopedia, videos, CAD library, and more. I also calculated the cost difference to build that house with 2x6 instead of 2x4 construction. Trimout is where the mistakes get found and, hopefully, taken care of. Does this sound feasible? Drop the blocks every six feet or so under the sagging areas. It is fastened at one end and then stretched from the other. You might find this link entertaining http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/JackGreen.shtmlI suppose one of them could find a small soft spot but even that seems unlikely.Enjoy your party.Paul, Manufactured home warranties Mobile homes come with warranties. Really. thanks HenryPaulHi Henry,All links seem to point the HUD which is such an enormous organization I got lost trying to find anything useful. A profession repair would have sealed that damage so mice, bugs, cats, or coons dont have easy access to the subfloor area. Lumber prices have had a volatile year. may be promised and then not delivered. Kevin great info. WillPaulYes, I think the weight is getting out of hand and you are asking for more problems.Keep in mind that mobile home manufacturers have engineers on staff full time. Electrical also runs wire from ceiling outlets, fans, bathroom vents, etc. how the trusses are attached. I beams and supports are rusted underneath but still solid. So is this a common problem? Last winter with the 80% furnace it was using indoor air and the humidity was at 30% and i had a hell of a time trying to raise it (i gave up), but with the new furnace i have had 50% humidity till about -10C and at -20C i am down to 30% (i get shocks every time i leave the computer). Frank Nunes, when I refer to you as a dauber I am not insulting youit was an honorable old profession and you are certainly getting older. ERI- There is a requirement when using the ERI method that mandates you follow the 2009 prescriptive code, no exceptions, which requires R-20 wall cavity or R-5 continuous and R-13 cavity. The home is hooked up to power, water and gas and everything should get tested. Mobile homes have to cope with water beds, pianos, etc. That is a simple payback of 52 years. I think it would probably even be cheaper since you would not have the costs of working on the existing roof. Why? The answer to your question varies from location to location. to seat and then tighten again? Will I be able to wall that back in as well? just not sure. Posted October 25, 2013. Thanks for any input.PaulI dont know. The modern round wire nails began replacing square cut nails shortly before 1900. Michael kelseyI have a 2003 champion double wide that was just set up and do not have power to the master bedroom and den. Some spray foams are being promoted as not only providingcavity insulation and air tightness but also structural properties related to shear and impact resistance. (if you get snow). Decks, skirting (underpinning) etc. The function of the house wrap in this wall assembly is both rainwater control and a contribution to the assembly air tightness. How much weight could the ceiling bear.PaulBad idea (Using the ceiling). But in the last two hundred years we have been on a real tear. If air-conditioning is needed, that is probably done by another company. This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. Wilton sellerscheck and make sure your dryer duct is vented to the outside of your home.If it is not moister from your dryer could affect your floor if you have any belly board or insulation missing. Her roof is leaking. Im surprised the thing is still standing. I have thought about opening the wall and sister-ing each stud with another 2x 3 board so that the wall will be sturdier. So we had two approaches going here. Sorry I wasnt more clear before. Homes built prior to 1976 had only one or two inches of insulation wrapped around the walls, floor and ceiling, 2 x 2 or 2 x 3 studs, uninsulated air ducts in the floor and ceiling, no ceiling vapor barrier, and jalousie windows. Hi Kevin, i have attached a few photos, they are the best my phone can take, i can dig out the camera if need be, i found some flat nails when i was removing the fiberglass in the headers for the cellulose, so i assume that is what the house is made of How did we keep the water out of all those buildings before the use of building paper? In this article, _Two-By Debate Continues_ it says that the payback time for 2x6 walls in Minneapolis (once again a heating climate) would be aprox 78 years.Another publication "A Builder's Guide to Energy Efficient Homes in Georgia, J. Tiller and D. Creech, Governor's Office of Energy Resources, 1990. PROBLEMS - Over time, the shingles will succumb to the weather. My concern is the wiring. Alan, Complete Mobile Home Codes - 2022. This design using R-15 wall insulation passes the Michigan Energy CodeWhat? The table weighs 700-800 lbs; dimensions are 3.5 X 7.Do you think there would be a problem with the floor supporting the table along with my 200 lb. While cellulose insulation is one of the earliest insulation materials still used today, it didn't become a popular choice until the 1950s. That study can be found at. At the very least, could I remove the existing, ugly ceiling and replace it with the bead board or some other material?VickyPaulCertainly you can replace the existing ceiling tile with something you like better. It tended to crack and needed to be coated with white-wash and lime plaster to keep the water out. Boring, but true. I am intending to use 1x 6 boards for the door, a metal track system from National Hardware, and a required 2x 6 board to attach everything to the wall. My problem is Im unsure of the construction under the metal sheet. I would step all around toilets, sinks, windows, doors, etc. Allan, Could you post a picture? The humidifier was removed with the old furnace, but is the cause the crawlspace caused ACH (its closed but not airtight to the rest of the house) or is there some other method that humidity is being stripped? I recently had a puddle of water on my kitchen floor under the window. Authority: 42 U.S.C. The McCabe Residence passed the Energy Code Using the Performance path with the approved software REM Design. MattPaul, I want to build a 128 addition to my 60s 1260 mobile. It plugged up on me and I managed to unplug it with 45 of a 50 snake. The frame wall is undergoing another revolution (okay, it just seems that way because not much has changed in 150 years) a 2x6 frame at 24-inch centers and single top and bottom plates is likely to replace the conventional 2x4 frame. I never tried anything like that. I wonder if you need to check with an insurance company/agent with more mobile home insurance experience?Good luck,PaulHenry GoetzThanks Paul. Its surface rusting in spots and a couple of the seams are leaking. Your professional opinion would be greatly appreciated.PaulI think that would be a REALLY big mistake!DwightThanks Paul. Image via CupofSpring on AdobeStock. Brian1968 Taylor mobile home at the beach. Q. The Norwegians and Swedes are well known for their vertical board-and-batten siding the origins of which can be directly traced back to their ancient stave churches (Photograph 1). But the big unknown is whether it is possible to transfer the restructured onto a block foundation with floor trusses, dropping the metal frame underneath. Any idea what this thing sticking out from under the trailer could be and if it is a serious problem?PaulWithout a picture I cant be sure, but on older mobile homes the hitch was frequently left in place and the skirting cut to fit around it. We use Timberstrand headers. This continuous historical price chart for Lumber futures (LB, CME) is part of a huge collection of historical charts that covers decades of North America futures / commodity trading. Approximately 150 production workers will produce 10-12 floors per day. There are variations from factory to factory, but the homes are all built the same way. when did 2x6 construction start in canadamapei grout frost vs warm gray. My house looks mostly like the victory style in that pdf file, but not quite, and i am surrounded by Regency, Edwardian, and some late Victorian. Where are we going? I have been looking around under the unit and I cannotfigure out where the kitchen sink drain intersects the main sewer.None of the other appliances are plugged (bathroom sinks, toilets,tubs). There are several actions that could trigger this block including submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data. The heartland around 1800 did not have many skilled carpenters or stonemasons or skilled anything. We plan to put them along the wall in our living room. It started gaining popularity very early in the 20th century. 2x6 construction is common in colder climates. Back To Top. MonaHi Paul,Thank you for the very informative site. to see if there are any places the floor feels spongy. Living in New Mexico we also have very dry air. I too wanted to mention the in between size with the added 1/8". The price of nails fell so fast that by the 1850s nails cost less in Chicago than the tax on European nails. The decking is covered with tar paper and shingled. Do you know what caused the tear and if the problem has been fixed? I have about a a 12X12 tear in my floor insulation, of course, under my ac ducting. It's a good idea to know the size of the framing in your house. Can you tell me if this is a common practice in these types of homes? Stucco in California is typically installed on open studs supported only by building paper, piano wire and metal lath. Average U value- I have tried several times in ResCheck and could never get it to pass with 2x4 construction. Id like to put it in the vault of the ceiling. VickyI have a 1978 Conch Double Wide with a standard pitch roof. They will dry out and start curling around the edges. In the early years of regulating building construction, this caused a patchwork of building codes across Canada. Frequently they left the wheels and axles under the home too. Big wood rats get up there, and I really need to get it sealed off..my floors get cold! the one overhead is supported by the same at each end of the opening.. it HAD been sagging terribly before he put those beams in.. there is NOT a center beam, and it looks very nice. That equates to $.98 per sq/ft of living space. Open a door and measure the distance from the outside edge of the outside trim to the inside edge of the inside trim. A lot of information out there is geared toward the energy efficiency benefits of building with 2x6, well we cant say that anymore. Will it hold a king sized free flow waterbed in the master suite at the end of the home?PaulIm thinking that if waterbeds fell through the floors of mobile homes it would make the evening newsSo you should be fine.I did see a couple of bedrooms where the waterbed leaked. There are no doubt multiple ways to meet the standard, none of which the insurance company is qualified to evaluate. Ive been patching and sealing the metal roof and removing the rust. It became the most common type of wood-frame construction from about 1890 until around the late 1930s and is found throughout the entire US. Hammer in wedges to force the sagging wall parts upward. Insert a straight edge into the gap as far as it will go and note the measurement on the stud framing the door or window. The only significant changes since have been better tools (skill saws, nail guns) and platform framing which we got in the 1950s. The manufacturer is not responsible for damage in transit or what happens on the dealers lot. My question is would the ceiling support this much added weight, in your opinion? 54.173.119.173 Setup. Note the word frame. A frame has four sides. Traps have been set. I can see outside in the worst spots! This is when protective mats are taken off the vinyl and any damage discovered. Holes are drilled through the bottom of the wall and the floor material and metal sleeves hammered into place. So if you work where you are not on a direct line between a wall switch and a factory installed ceiling fixture you are probably OK.Obviously, I have no way to be certain of that. While the roof is being done, others are fastening siding. ), or even to the plywood, and leave the 22s exposed and paint them. Common characteristics included: 26 walls, stippled ceilings now standard, introduced PVC vinyl double pane windows, improved ventilation systems, skylights and vinyl or wood siding standard, no more metal siding. On June 15, 1976, HUD established construction and safety standards for mobile homes because they were becoming widely-used as permanent housing. Ill buy all of this except for the part that the clapboards weatherboarding idea originated in New England. Daniel OwensAlso my attic is not vented. Installing electrical boxes and running wire is the process most likely to disturb the insulation. I am sure there are ways to strengthen supports and distribute the load, but I am not qualified to make suggestions.Paul, Edward DeMatteoI am getting close to retire and looking at a 55 + community where they have a 2004 fleetwood 1470 for sale for 24k with a garage and driveway. "Was there a time when brick foundation walls were in general use or is that also variable?". According to a local insulation company, the cost difference between installing R-15 to R-21 is $.25 sq/ft. From mud huts and megalithic stones to mega highways and skyscrapers, the evolution of construction reflects mankind's ever . I cant imagine who would have plans from 1976. Over time the wattle disappeared but the stucco stayed. ERI (Energy Rating Index)- Have a HERS Rater do a rating on the house and score a 52-55 (depending on climate zone) or better. Areas of the floor that will be covered with vinyl get sanded. Impregnated felts and coated papers came much later. Left the flat metal in place. The most prominent area is in the kitchen. The cost is minimal compared to the benefits. Image taken by Frode Inge Helland. A frost-free faucet with a 4" stem will fit inside of a 2x6 wall, so there's really no excuse for a water line hanging in the middle of the room. I have 1994 16 x 70 Commodore I need to do serious repairs on and looking for specs has been futile. And not knowing I just let it go until now. 3535 (d), 5403, 5404, and 5424. You will have to have a local A/C person take a look at it to tell you what you are dealing with. They're commonly used in structural construction projects such as framing walls in a house or building a deck. Does water back up anywhere? The completed frame is lifted, moved over, and set down on top of the axles and wheels that have been assembled elsewhere. AlisonMatt, Im wanting to do the same thing. 05-08-2017, 05:50 AM #3. I am havingtrouble with the kitchen sink drain. Balloon framed buildings are certainly lighter than those built with the earlier braced frame method, but in my experience, properly constructed, they have survived quite well. I am not looking to sell it, I have owned the property and mobile home for the last 14 years and lived in it for 5 of those years before I moved away. Five or six people can do all this in an hour or less. Guess which technology was used? Or could your house have been converted from a carriage house? It seems to me the insurance company shouldnt need to know anything else. The use of pre-fabrication goes back over a hundred years. c. 30, and M.G.L. You might try this link for starters and see if you have better luck http://archives.hud.gov/offices/hsg/sfh/ref/sfhp1-8d.cfmWhat it comes down to is that if your home has the HUD sticker on it, it met the standards when it was built. This interior wall should NOT be structural . OSB, or oriented strand board (a composite panel similar to plywood) is up a whopping 152%, from $170 a year ago to $428 currently. Transitional Farmhouse style home plan with 4 bedrooms and 3.5 baths is designed with 2x4 exterior wall framing but can be ordered with optional 2x6 framing for a $275 fee ( Plan #142-1185 ). Sits on Jacks that sit on dirt. Many handymen wont work on mobile homes which makes the problem more difficult. Advertisement 3 How big was it? For any nominal lumber dimension over 6 inches, the dimensional size will be inch smaller. There may or may not be a building paper between the clapboards and the sheathing. We have a roof built over our trailer (and existing addition alongside); I want to open up between the trailer and the addition. Thats what a thousand years of evolution will get you. $1.95 sq/ft- 2x4 construction, 1" exterior foam board and R-13 cavity. It certainly wasnt designed for it. I removed date stamps because most of the information doesnt change much.I wouldnt expect any problems unless you have a particle board subfloor that has had water damage in the past. The marks of a larger circular saw will look nearly straight on a small board but will run across at a noticeable angle.. Finally the 2nd exterior wall is lowered and fastened into place. That should make things much easier! Is it run up from the floor, through the wall, or down from the ceiling?PaulUp from the floor. Ceiling is sound right now with no problems that we can see. I can take hours under neath taking pics, notes, tearing out walls, ceilings. Also was there a time when brick foundation walls were in general use or is that also variable? If you made them wide enough to span the distance between the joists you could be sure the weight was distributed & well supported. I also want to side the place. An 8 x 8-inch nominal board is actually 7 x 7 inches. Do they show up promptly if there is a problem. Floors is an industry term meaning 1 single-wide or 1/2 of a doublewide. It was not a water control layer. Transport. Professor Ted Cavanagh of Dalhousie University argues that balloon framing was not invented by George Washington Snow or Augustine Taylor as Chicagoans tell it but that its origins are distinctly French. Additionally, the ceiling is lowered onto the home and fastened in place with metal straps. Siding. Hes tried everything we can think of replaced the bolts and washers ; moved the toilet so it didnt touch the wall; put sealant on washers it still LEAKS!! The history of construction is as old as the history of humanity. That is NOT a place you want to experience.Paul, KaraHi there! These are much the same as any site-built home. That could include lime deposits, mold, damp smell, etc. R&D courtesy of the US DOE Building America Program. http://info.turnerandsonhomes.com/blog/cost-to-build-a-house-2x6-walls. Liquid glue is spread on the top of the floor joists and frame members, and sheets of tongue-and-groove plywood or OSB are nailed in place. Was mostly effective with the sheetrock sage , but still had variations with the differences with the ceiling trusses. Mobile homes are built as a single engineered unit. If things get rushed, materials are badly warped, and the overhangs get trimmed with a router, the edge of the home may look like a snake. So, the main reason this design passed is the cooling load was lower than the increase in the heating load, not by much, but it was lower. We are needing an estimate because of a fire and the demolition costs included getting rid of contents as well.It doesnt have to be exact but ballpark would be fine.
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