When the First World War erupted in the autumn of 1914 all of the major powers were lacking any type of military headgear which could offer effective protection in the face of modern warfare and weaponry. New Zealand Engineers who died 13/03/1918 ST. POL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION France ' These have some 115716872255 dailyinfo[13]=' 37643 Sapper Thomas John ECCLESTON Tunnelling Coy. It's definitely a British Mk I helmet. var year=mydate.getYear() I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. ( ZA-Marks belong to the Crosby Manufacturing Co. ), ( ZB-Marks are thought to belong to the Worchester Pressed Steel Co. ), ( ZC-Marks belong to Edward. Welcome to the forum, the helmet looks British made and dates from 1916/17 period, it may have had a donut ring but with out the liner to hold, it in place it's gone missing. A 'no helmet' bare head case was used as a control (denoted BAR). dailyinfo[26]=' Chaplain 4th Class The Rev. var month=mydate.getMonth()+1 dailyinfo[2]=' 8020 Serjeant Charles POOLE "C" Coy. The PASGT helmet was a new generation of combat helmet, being made from nineteen layers of Kevlar, a light-weight synthetic fibre material which offered higher levels of protection than the manganese-steel alloy from which the M1s had been manufactured. Seaforth Highlanders who died 20/03/1919 BEIRUT WAR CEMETERY Lebanese Republic ' dailyinfo[7]=' Lieutenant Thomas Sydney Ough DEALY Australian Flying Corps who died 07/03/1918 STONYHURST COLLEGE BURIAL GROUND United Kingdom ' colour is the paint finish of the helmet, in the photo it looks blue/grey ?. During the war, the Company took part in fire watching duties, manned a gun at the exit to Westminster Underground Station and undertook a wide variety of training schemes. The liner should be afixed in the helmet using a single copper rivet that is peened. Display as a link instead, Both helmets are non-magnetic. The steel for the M1917 helmets was rolled by the American Sheet and Tin Plate Co and were stamped with a Heat or Lot code, The helmet liners were made by 10 Shoe Manufacturing Company's, the shells and liners would be delivered to the. If anyone knows something about the helmet please tell me I'm very interested to here what you guy are going to say. New Zealand Engineers who died 13/03/1918 ST. POL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION France ' The British troops followed with the Brodie helmet. I have looked on a couple brodie specialist websites and cant find anything. The list is on going if you know any more please let us know. Display as a link instead, The helmet came without the liner and the onlymark in the helmet is 4B and I don't know why but under every scratch looks red maybe the helmet was red. . The Brodie was the first modern military helmet developed by Britain. The British helmet is made from 21 gauge steel, while the American helmet is made from 19 gauge steel. dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. First thing is to see if you can figure out the unit emblem on the helmet. To avoid a smooth reflective finish a small amount of river gravel was mixed into the paint. Good, they are MK II lugs, so that puts it in theWW2 period. While they were initially produced from manufactured paper fibres, these models were quickly discontinued when it was realised that they degraded in short order, particularly in the tropical conditions of the Pacific War in 1942 and 1943. Kings Royal Rifle Corps who died 02/03/1915 YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL Belgium ' Ones with three holes drilled over the ears on each side didn't pass quality . There were at least six British helmet manufactures and nine steel suppliers. Royal Welsh Fusiliers who died 11/03/1915 FAUQUISSART MILITARY CEMETERY, LAVENTIE France ' 2nd Bn. dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. Royal Army Medical Corps who died 22/02/1919 NUNHEAD (ALL SAINTS) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' The doughnut was added for the wearers comfort. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for WW2 British Army MkII Brodie Helmet MkI Liner - 1939, MKII Chinstrap at the best online prices at eBay! Do you know if he wasa civilian at this time, and could you take a photo of the inside of the helmet for me, and what. Sparks Withington Co - Jackson - Michigan. 1st Bn. That's how the helmet got its official name as well. var dailyinfo= new Array(31) FOR SALE! This dilemmaseems to become particularly problematic for the British reenactors who after spending hundred of dollars on their kit accidentally purchase an American helmet because they dont know the difference, or for collectors who want one or the other represented in their collection. An update on my helmet: a little light sanding and I was able to find the heat stamp, though this has only raised more questionsthe stamp is XHF. What I know so far, He was injured in France in 1940 so was 'dropped' from active service. if (dailyinfo[daym] != "") { document.write(fontstart+dailyinfo[daym]+fontend) } The colour is fine looks to be the factory green finish, you can buy second hand original liners on line as long as it is for the MkII helmet. WW2 British Army Staff Officers Cap and Collar Tabs. The Brodie helmet was designed by John Leopold Brodie, a Lithuanian entrepreneur and inventor who had first made his fortune working the gold and diamond mines of South Africa in the 1890s and 1900s and had then moved to Britain. I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. Was wondering if anyone could give some more info on it. 5min video no sound date 1918 Military helmets manufactured at a factory in USA. var daym=mydate.getDate() A soup dish style helmet from the Great War, offered for sale islabeledincorrectly. Lincolnshire Regiment who died 05/03/1916 CITE BONJEAN MILITARY CEMETERY, ARMENTIERES France ' The main part of the helmet was the steel shell or cap which was produced from non-magnetic Hadfield Steel, a steel and manganese alloy similar to that which the British had begun to employ to make the Brodie helmet as early as 1916. The British Mark I chinstrap bails are made from 16 gauge brass or in some cases steel wire. Royal Engineers who died 31/01/1919 COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY Germany ' "Orbita." and 34th Coy. In the photo it looks like it could be surface rust? Mar 08, 2023 1914-18 WW1 ARMY SWORD & SCABBARD $20. I now think the 3 letters on the fromt is actually D then a Crown then the letter H. Also after cleaning the helmet i have found the liner manufacturers: Vero 2 = Everett.W.Vero & Co London.1937 - 1944, Very interesting Tom, if it is a crown then the letters could stand for Department Head to show he was the top. I would say the paintwork on your helmet is original. McCord Radiator, Ford Motor Company were both known to have made P17s, but there wereundoubtedly more. Soldiers wearing the recently issued Brodie helmet on the Western Front, 1916 More details: NAM. However, he has recently discovered that apparently all Brodie and Mk.I helmets were pressed by Joseph Sankey and Sons, so the the initials simply indicate the steel supplier. There should not be a threaded nut. Hi, I recently found my Step-dad's Father's WW2 Mk.1* Brodie. The ring didnt stay gone long and was brought back in 1917 no doubt to the joy of the average Tommy. Hi Tom, it looks to me like it might be a Home Guard helmet but I will let Colin give his opinion first. Irish Guards who died 18/03/1916 CALAIS SOUTHERN CEMETERY France ' dailyinfo[9]=' Boy SALEH HAJI S.S. TANGISTAN (Swansea).Indian Merchant Service who died 09/03/1915 BOMBAY 1914-1918 MEMORIAL, MUMBAI India ' The threads that discuss the helmet will contain lots more information. Helmets and Headgear, Shortly after the US declaration of war in April of 1917 the US ordered around 400,000 helmets from the British for use by, the American Expeditionary Force. = Hawley Products Co - Illinois. I would leave the chin strap that is original, it's up to you what you want to do, with the helmet shell, it would have had an originalBMB liner dated the same as the shell, but I've seen BMB helmets with other maker. Although a few American troops did manage to get a hold of covers by in large the A.E.F. WW1 BRITISH BRODIE Helmet SOMME relic - 60.00. British Mark Mark I Brodie U.S. P17 helmet The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. 6 Reserve Lorry Park Royal Air Force who died 28/02/1919 BELGRADE CEMETERY Belgium ' dailyinfo[11]=' Captain Charles Edmund WOOD Mentioned in Despatches Adjt. WW1 Brodie helmet liner and leather chinstrap which contains no harmful materials. The Advanced Combat Helmet, the current combat helmet used by the U.S. Army, was included (size large, denoted ACH) for comparison to current combat helmets. The helmet istself is a Mk.1* but i have looked and cannot find any manufacturer stamps on either the helmet or liner/strap. dailyinfo[24]=' Captain Denzil Robert THURSTON Air Force Cross Airship Training Wing (Cranwell). Many originals show evidence of the bails being replaced. Me and a mate found. He worked in WhiteHall prior to the war as a chartered surveyor. View detail. Unfortunately the helmet was in a shed for many years so is quite rusted. "We Cannot Always Buy What We Want, But We Buy What We Can". I bought aBrodie helmet and I'm not sure from witch war or time the helmet is from. All helmets of this shape and form are known as Brodie helmets - even the ones manufactured abroad. A desirable unit marked helmet can go for around $500.00. . The Great War Forum Limited Our philosophy is simple, we want to help people to own a piece of World War II history. Known M1917 Helmet Liner Manufacturers Stamp Marks. var daym=mydate.getDate() depaor014 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. The use of a thicker bail and steel rivet to secure the holder would have minimized the chance of the bail coming lose during combat. Upon the United States entry into the global conflict in April 1917 it urgently needed supplies of the new kinds of steel military headgear which the French, British and Germans had developed since 1915. Liner Fibre M-1. to attach them. document.write; Such was the models effectiveness that large numbers of it were either purchased by nations from the US, or they developed their own clone or copycat models. HEAT STAMP 626A. I have had a good look at your helmet again and managed to find another one to compare,This is an American, Here is a British made helmet from the same period, look at the rim joint how clean the joint is put together, now take a look at the rim joints. If it's a highly desirable unit it drives the price up. dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. View detail. The helmet was rimless and was painted a smooth dark-green color. Some form of identification may be required if you are unknown to us. A heat stamp of 50A with an 'S' beneath it on a Schlueter manufactured helmet. This helmet was called The Helmet, Steel, Mark I but is also sometimes referred to as the Brodie steel helmet or the Brodie Mark I helmet. It does not have that stamp so it is probably one from world war 2 then. In WW1 Allies: Great Britain, France, USA, etc 1914 - 1918, In Polish Armed Forces - Second Republic (Siy Zbrojne II Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej) 1918-1939, blue brodie helmet(or not) identification, Advice on purchasing a British Military MKII Helmet. The finalised model which went into mass production using Hadfield Steel from late 1915 onwards weighed 2.4 pounds or 1.1. kgs. dailyinfo[15]=' SS/342 Able Seaman Henry George SMITH (RFR/CH/B/5534). One is stamped 1938 in the 'furniture' and is either RAF blue or a police issue type. Welcome to the forum, is the red definitely paint? The British bail design proved to be too weak for the rigors of the trenches. They also have a similar liner and chinstrap. More innovatively the steel cap was also used as a multi-purpose device by American soldiers during the Second World War. By Parrotman287 1 year ago. Though I do not know the code for the manufacturers. var fontend = '' Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet or Tommy helmet, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. Here's a list of WW2 American Helmet Liner Makers. Are there any markings on the helmet shell - between a rivet and the brim usually? The British did have an upgrade that was never adopted by the Americans. Copyright Treasure Bunker Ltd We are born to die, but I appreciate life. Hello Gents, it's been a long time, but I am back with an ID request. : Brodie helmets. Click to enlarge the picture 04-08-2013, 01:49 AM#4 homerj109 Re: Help Identifying Brodie Helmet Upload or insert images from URL. Your link has been automatically embedded. That's interesting that he was a staff member, because staff members were asked to volunteer to help in fire watching duties, with miles of corridors and hundreds of offices to check. Danish m23. The codeusuallystarts with a Z and is followedby a series of numbers. Bluecher German Navy who died 29/01/1915 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' The helmet was painted a camouflage mix of green, blue and orange, though a variety of alternative colours were also introduced for use in different theatres. if (year < 1000) year+=1900 This was particularly the case when it came to trench warfare where shrapnel and debris rained down on soldiers heads from above. A heat stamp of 305B on a McCord manufactured helmet. Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks Remembered Today: 1081780 Sapper Bedford Stanley LONG "D" Coy. IMP. It is unknown what is any maker marks these companies used. The chinstrap bails on a British Mark I and a U.S. P17 are of a completely different design. The helmets I have seen wereUSM1 helmets, however they might have worn the Brodie pattern too earlier on. else { document.write(fontstart+"No major events today"+fontend); } As a result, it was estimated that the M1 had saved the lives of approximately 70,000 men between the outbreak of the war in late 1941 and its conclusion in the autumn of 1945. The British Mark I has a rubber ring sometimes called adoughnut sewn between two pieces of wool in the base of the helmet dome. Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru ' Remembered Today: You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. If its a split rivet that holds the bails in place, its Brit. Royal Navy who died 15/03/1917 CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL United Kingdom ' dailyinfo[16]=' 22659 Serjeant George SNELL Military Medal "T" Bty. Colin is the man for Brodies but I think he might struggle with this one too. I think it would be a perfect fit alongside the gas masks in the game, especially with the hype for Battlefield 1 and all. 6 Reserve Lorry Park Royal Air Force who died 28/02/1919 BELGRADE CEMETERY Belgium ' Copyright Treasure Bunker Ltd The Spanish helmet had a great deal of German influence because Germany equiped the Spanish armed forces during its civil war. 1st Bn. //-->, By were refurbished and modified with a new leather liner and web chinstrap. var day=mydate.getDay() The bail holder is secured to the helmets skirt by way of a steel split rivet. var mydate=new Date() OPH I think I have read it is thought to be another mark of Firth and sons, but that make no reason for the K. I think it is quite a common mark though. Could be Kenny, it's not a British stamp mark socould have beenmade by one of the allied countries , if, it is American then it could be a M1917AI used between 1936 - 1941, the same period the MKII chin-strap. U.S. M2 82nd Airborne Pathfinder Camo. The first Brodie helmets entered service in September 1915 but the number of them being produced at this early date was so limited that they were stored in the trenches and given to individuals who were most susceptible to attacks on a given day. In early 1915, Schwerd completed a study of head wounds that were the result of trench warfare and submitted a recommendation for steel helmets. Nevertheless the Brodie name persisted for many years afterwards. Remembered Today: Both helmet have a similar dome and similar skirt. So a large number of Americandough boyswore British made helmets though out their service in France. Unfortunately, your registration has been declined by the auctioneer. The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. dailyinfo[4]=' Matrose Paul KURZKE Torpedoboot "G85" German Navy who died 04/03/1919 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' The American shell is heavier. In conclusion, the M1 can probably be designated as the most successful combat helmet ever made. dailyinfo[13]=' 37643 Sapper Thomas John ECCLESTON Tunnelling Coy. Hi Tom, welcome to the forum. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France ' Eventually all his knowledge will be distilled in a book. U.S. P17 chinstrap bail = International Molded Plastics - Massachusetts. The MK 1 Brodie helmets are made from original MK2 steel shells have stripped out liner, chinstrap hangers and repainted the shell in the correct WW1 wartime paint then fixed in a 100% accurate reproduction. Thanks for the video, i will show my step father and see if he can recognise his dad, I would think this is more likelyto be lettering on a Civil Defence unit helmet than Home Guard. Leatherwear Co of America - Brooklyn - New York. The bail holder is secured to the helmets skirt with a steel harness rivet. 4th Bn. Mark 2 Belgian Clone of the British Brodie helmet. The asbestos pad is quite safe it is only the thickness of thick paper, my only doubt is the chin strap mounts they are, riveted the British used split pins.